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Several people asked about bone loss and adaptation to spaceflight - here's how they change over a few months.
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[sdoow adnerb] - Wish I could understand
[nworb relloy] - Thank you for continuing to teach us.
[sraes xela] - Any chance you might post a "dumbed down" version (for those of us who are not doctors/scientists of what each of the lines mean in relation to you, or the average person who might go to space?
What happens with neurovestiblar function with space travel and what does it do back here on earth?
[samoht yrag] - I've said this before and I'll keep saying it.... you and your colleagues ( no matter what nationality) are world heroes. You make the world safe for science and wonder. Thank you sir and thank you to your son who kept us all updated with your extra terrestrial movements.
[nabahs .m dammahom] - This link should help explain this great representation: http://www.descsite.nl/Publications/Thesis/vanLoon/vanLoon_chapter1.htm
[anedac .j knarf] - But in human terms how do you feel sir? I remember when you came back you said that you could feel the weight if your lips when you talked. How do you feel now? Was it a miserable feeling when you were readjusting to gravity?
[onimijd ainamreg] - Thank you for risking your life and health for the good of science and for the well being of all human race. Please click like if you agree.
[wolrah eilloh] - You've become the best of everything to us - a teacher and a friend, a hero and a mentor. Thank you.
[rászidlob aloiv] - Ap spine and femur T-score data? (start-end or %) thx
[trahkcol kcin] - You skinny sod :p
[yllennod retsae ësil] - Second the request for a "plain English" version, or at least something that explains a bit more about what all those lines mean. It looks really interesting, but I don't fully understand it.
[elpay rejiem dirgni] - I'll try to keep my disbelief in check when watching scifi...how 'can' they just do all of these things up in space...will we ever advance to the point of running around on space ships, getting shot at and not exploding? Not to mention not losing any bone density...sheesh
[trahuqru-navillus acinorev] - That first month is a roller coaster!
[niahcallaec náraic] - If someone could explain the Y-axis that'd be much appreciated!
[nayr naeb nej] - excellent graphic!
[yrreb nivek] - YIKES! Looks like space travel can be pretty harmful to one's health!
...especially if it exceeds 1.5 months!
[grebenif-eehpcm serolod] - Hmm... gotchya!! LOL. Not really. Could you explain in Earthlings terms??
[lah rehtaeh] - I wonder if humans can ever truly adapt to weightlessness, or perhaps we need to have artificial gravity to stay healthy. If that is true then how much would be needed and how could this be created for the ISS and other craft. Interesting.
[rednaxela .m nasus] - Whoa, that's really interesting.
[tenoig ednalor] - Thank you William Strachan. I helped me a bit.
[eerrum p nonnahs] - Wow - hope you are well
[esob lajak] - so, one would be severely anemic after 1.5 months?
[nallevom ed zehcnas rerref] - Very interesting for a biologist point of view.
[uaetreb sevy] - Where is the Molson blood rate ?
[ruenevel -nivuag enidlarég] - Thanks to you and all these explanations, I better understand now why heroes like you and your colleagues have to be so well trained, and in great health, to withstand such traumatic experiences for your bodies.
[tsruhkrap ydarb] - How long does it take the reverse? Is there a "point of no return" where an astronaut experiences permenent changes?
[ailgup id zenítram nánreh] - That's exactly what I thought?
[senil yretra] - let's hope one day there's a way to slow radiation injury so people can stay in space longer and not get radiated into retirement
[hteskrejb aicila] - critical care nurse saying "whoa, big changes!"
[nosnibor t nitsuj] - I don't like the looks of that neurovestibular function at all. Mostly because I don't know what it means yet :P
[rotsen k nad] - With all that bone loss how did Captain Kirk maintain his pot belly and his amazing ability to bed beautiful green striped, mad alien women?
[drofwarc aliel] - I don't really understand the graph but looks like a persons system really takes a real ass kicking while in space wouldn't do to live there for too long or the red blood cell mass and the other things such as bone and calcium metabolism etc and so on look to be really harmful as well as the radiation effects seem to get higher the longer you are there too if I am reading the graph correctly - ?????
[iksniwyc asiul] - Or at least give it to us in layman's terms. I'm guessing you lose bone and muscle mass.
[namssor sivart] - Red blood cell mass looks scary
[amokow tap] - A natural born educator. :)
[yaw .j ycnan] - I suppose the ultimate question is... are you a different Canadian now that you have returned to earth?
[reyem xila] - do a google search, y'all.
[yelsac nailil] - Now, I'm going to google all these lines...to see if I can make head or tail of them. The Neurovestibular Function, increases and drops sharply!! Thank you for posting.
[llennodcm atinauj] - i get the gravity of...glad you have good health Care xo
[yol ykceb] - Amazing loss over a few months---if I'm reading the graph correctly that is. Wow. Kirk
[sehcorsed teerts arual] - Cool. But maybe you can do a video talk of what it all means...
[irahkob diavaj m] - The first month looks pretty rough to go through the process :p
[redeorf ocram] - thx, i was guessing how live in space affect the human body when i read about you first run after come back to earth , this graphics answer my questions. :)
[lanidrac g nyliram] - Does this mean that you age faster, due too the drastic changes in your body? How old do you really feel? What a sacrifice for man kind!
[civejirtimid ajirdna] - what exactly does clinical horizon represent..... peak body performance or danger zone?
[siupahc erialc-esor] - Please take good care of yourself!
[dleifrettes naillig] - scary, we are not made for export
[tnayrb zil] - I'm curious as to how long someone could live in space before their bodies begin to fail.
[serog yduj] - The human body is very dynamic ... good luck in your rehabilitation :)
[truocfel aner] - Pardon my ignorance but what does it all mean?
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[eel sirk] - Chris: Can you please explain this in layman's terms in your new book, which I've pre-ordered :) http://pages.email.randomhouse.ca/page.aspx?QS=38dfbe491fab00ea9040774b1a5aba422f39d501c4be3382cecc16929b06082c
[remsirg neb] - Thank you for the share!
[gnilwod htebazile] - They should also test liver function and other functions on a graph. My husband's liver failed due to cancer (cause of his death), and it is a real concern how the body chemistry adapts to conditions in space. That radiation effects line is also very disturbing. Were those the lines in the "Space Oddity" video?
[lohcin yram] - Oh my! I am not sure how to read this chart, but it seems that a lot of functions decrease over time. Bone and calcium metabolism increases over time. Does that mean your body is bsorbing your own bone and calcium??
[reual asil] - Wow! Incredible! Thank you!
[nosrettap assenav] - That's really interesting! Do you have any articles I can read on this?
[llaguodcm .f leahcim] - You can build up Bone density with a Canadian invention called the "Wellness Belt". I have been wearing one for 3 yrs now and it has made a huge difference in my health. Invented by a Canadian Chiropractor named Dr. Craig Curphey in Barrie, Ontario.
[notaehw bob] - Isn't this terrifying? How soon does the system restore these losses?
[nedsram evad] - Is this because of lack of gravity? Is that a factor in this?
[tluanesra enitsirk] - Basically if you are not putting weight on your bones by standing, you will lose bone density and therefore strength and risk of breaking increases. Compare it to someone confined to a wheelchair. They are losing bone mass by not putting pressure on their bones to allow strengthening. Hope this helps a bit.
[ianib seirhpmuh alrac] - wow, the Red Blood cell mass is frightening. you're my hero.
[eciruam atina] - This all happens because of no gravity?
[nayr ykcir] - Basically, space turns you into a wimp! ;)
[rk agrav] - horizontal scale is the months passed since returning, vertical is the range of change in the particular area :)
[droftet eyaf] - Interesting stuff! :)
[doowerah notla] - Long term deep space trips look to be off the agenda then!
[mmah lrub] - Fantastic explanation. Thank you
[reihs ennazus] - are the changes the same in men and women? Also does age play a factor? How much vitamin D do astronauts take in space? and do you continue with the same amount back on earth? Thanks for sharing, so interesting and such an important area of research that is needed to keep astronauts in space longer.
[aksńyzcuk akjam alu] - IT IS SO USEFUL to young SF authors!! God Bless you!!
[aleahim anirolf] - The explanation to this graph is simple, whole body system is going from the best to the worst, the longer time you stay in space the nearest to death. A very BIG THANK YOU Col. CHRIS HADFIELD, for putting your life in danger for whole humanity, for allowing us to share your experience. BIG PEOPLE like YOURSELF will live forever in our hearts, well deserving our prayers , blessings and love <3 xxx
[nerraw fluw] - I do like the scientific facts, I suppose you can't look at this with complete detachment. My bones have a brittle hollow honeycombe where they should have marrow making it nigh on impossible to absorb calcium, so would they remain the same during space travel or not? I've been curious of this for years...
[naginnah eluorps enaej htebazile] - I knew that - not. :-)
[nostaw nerak] - I live at 8500' and have problems with my legs and leaky veins.
[stums adnama] - So NASA has their work cut out for them, clearly one of the most important discoveries of this age will be the generation of false gravity. Or else how are these one way trips that are in the planning going to be possible?
[eneerg yaj] - No wonder you are so pleased to be able to run again. As everyone says: thank you for the sacrifices you have made x
[onimmic innavoig] - Col. Chris Hadfield, few years ago (it was 2009) we led an experiment (on-board the ISS) called Mice Drawer System, aimed at understanding bone loss. Merge data would be awesome...
[yad hsoj] - Hey I've seen this. My professor showed this to us!
[reilletel sevy] - Wow ! some changes in the body !!! We are not made for space :(
[me yej] - It's interesting theme
[dlefuen nil] - Thanks for posting the info. Same Q as above, how long to recover and is recovery 100%?
[snraek anaomenih ydnew] - Cool wheres this from?
[ztlem gem] - That's bad stuff! How long does it take to recover?
[sitruc rehpotsirhc] - Ahh that explains it!
[ssab-sehguh yram] - Wonder if your O2 sats decreased with the decrease in rbc mass ? Did you notice any difficulty with breathing especially after exercise?
[nissep ahcas] - No any french people to explain ? :)
[ssab-sehguh yram] - That's incredibly interesting. I am wondering if they are considering giving medications in the future to prevent this. Wonder why they don't now and their rationale. Thank you for posting this. So much to ponder over.
[eyaw zil] - Rather drastic! Good to have you back!
[esiobmarfal ecnarf] - The neurovestibular function initial roller coster must have been sooooooo difficult!? Merci pour ces données très intriguantes!
[nostrebor nhoj] - I'm confused about the meaning of the Y axis.
[ketrats aicirtap] - Wow! Hope you heal well.
[nordap leafar] - Thank you so much for your this information!!!
[streavog ruelf] - I have been concerned about this in regards to YOU- Keep Well Col.
[seklof eniarrol] - Wow, that is amazing! Are the calcium levels up because the body takes the calcium from the bones? At this rate, how long would one be in space before becoming a jelly fish like creature? Without gravity, there is not much need for bones, I suppose. Interesting, sir. Wish I could figure it all out.
[nitram aitioglabaz anasus] - Thanks for sharing!
[neslin ekul] - so is this a control without using the excercise machine to counteract/keep it within tolerable-recoverable limits?
[ucseludar dalv-aecrim] - Why do most peak and then diminish?
[celluom duam] - I first saw this in a lecture by Scott Madry at ISU. Thank you for teaching us!
[eldnirb eoj] - Captain Kirk's ship had artificial gravity Dan K.
[gnuoy-eloc siol] - Thanks for sharing.
[retsof neelhtak] - Wow! An amazing change in function and fluid metabolism!
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[uhcruhmin enia] - does not look so good to me....... take care
[kciredorb sumaes] - man.. we're not all astronauts xD
[doog eel arravan] - Well, that was an interesting read!
[nagillim divad] - How will we ever overcome this problem for long term space exploration Cmdr?
[rotcorp llib] - Sorry, its just another graph to me
[etoc ylrebmik] - Interesting to see how many factors adapt, but not the bone and calcium metabolism.
[gnitnnam idlamirg nelleyram] - what is the reason for the increase in bone and calcium metabolism?
[egral aluap] - Seems like a total blood transfusion would help
[egral aluap] - Seems like maybe a total
[yeliab divad] - Wow.... hey, Colonel... What do you think about the Mars One Project? I signed up, but didn't pay my $38.00 fee yet because I don't want to pay for something and then they say no. So, I'd like your opinion, Sir. =)
[retsof semaj] - What worries me is that radiation line.
[evafel naj] - Wow! The Red blood cell mass really drops so one would become anemic, yes? All I know is that red cells stick to oxygen and its carried to all parts of the body, so because of weightlessness it must be hard for it to get anywhere like the bones, right? Well, makes sense in my head but I really don't know.
[teduaeb elocin] - Merci pour les infos ...X♥X
[gnohc nomis] - from space to earth moment?
[senrab divad] - So excited about going to the Kennedy space centre from Britain in August this year :) as a serving Member of the British armed forces I don't get excited about much, but this I could almost pop. :)
[oel agnacs ellebasi] - Wow... thks for all the info.
[xexyxuxbxa leantan] - I need help on what's on the Y-axis?
[ekooc jm] - Thanks for the graph - so much easier to digest than paragraphs of numbers. Not that I really understand the details (!) but that red blood cell mass drop looks very unhealthy. I wonder, how long will you need to recover to pre-trip levels?
[oenip eileme] - Thanks so much for sharing this Col. Hadfield. It would have been neat to have this to show my grade 8 Science class! I was thinking radiation effects might be more severe.
[b eizaf] - I see the Ratiation effects continue to rise.. how does this compare to say Chernobel (sp) effected people..
[xad nacluv] - thanks for sharing!
[eey namron] - Fascinating trending and evidence of the remarkable adaptation of the human body (within limits). Great research (and hope) for our future of longer term dwelling in space. Good work Col. I trust you work with Dr. Doug Hamilton on this too.
[notererb enaid] - Thanks for the info. Does it worry you about the cardio Vascular function going down and is it temporary?
[yoor ravisnej] - hallo mr hadfield - good for you to start running again - i happen to know a little about that as well - thanks for the upload sir and have a nice day
[kram enileuqcaj] - Sorry; forgot the rapid changes in all at time of departure.
[kram enileuqcaj] - Rapid declines until adaptation. Continual declines in three of six(red, green, gold). Equalization of two(black, blue). Rapid increase in one(yellow). Gradual deadly increase in one(purple). Did I "nutshell" it correctly, mostly for my own edification?
[sredrah dreg] - i'd always loved weird graphics
[gnimelf arabrab] - Didn't realize drop in RBCs. Was there shortness of breath?
[rihat pilif] - If i understand this correctly the duration of time in space is shown on the x-axis and the effect of "time in space" on the different body funktions and cellmasses on the Y-axis.
[noswerc ydoc] - Is the radiation effect based on the linear no-threshold model (LNT) for accumulated dose calculations? Or is it a high enough dose rate to not matter (be above where threshold and LNT models overlap)
[arierep razec notlin] - quanto mais tranquilo, menos energia sendo gasta. :)
[rrek acceber] - Thank you ! I was having a bone scan yesterday and talking to the tech about you and what you went through while in space - she made me think I was nuts because you "wouldn't get radiation as you were past the sun" I did not want to argue with her about where you were (maybe she thought you were going to mars?) or that indeed you had radiation exposure...wish I had this with me yesterday! Thanks for sharing today though :)
[frodnal rehpotsirhc] - I don't understand the scales on the left.
[tluangim luap] - very interesting,Thanks
[nnylf nanor] - Interesting that radiation us constant and increasing. I'd assume that would be the biggest hurdle to permenant life in space
[retta eilla] - I'm an exercise therapist and seeing this graph just made my day, I love seeing how the body adapts in different environments. That being said, that looks like a lot for a person's body to go through. Hope your recovery is going well, commander Hadfield.
[niwert irret] - Thanks William Strachan, very helpful! :)
[elbmik llahsram tenaj] - How much time is estimated to return to normal levels?
[nrobwem dde] - I VERY vaguely understand what the graph is representing. My intergences hurt :(
[trah drahcir] - I now know that the "clinical horizon" is the point, above which, disease symptoms begin to appear. I assume the X-axis is in months,, but what is the y-axis?
[resarf noremac] - If I am understanding correctly the first 2-3 weeks are the most difficult with things largely settling down 6 weeks in, but for radiation effects which continue, and the impact of bone density loss. Correct? close?
[ttived nella] - this just shows how things in the body stabilize over time in space. 1*g is on earth, m*g is in space.
[yab ybrob saerdna] - Thats very interesting thanks for sharing.
[ssilb yrral] - What bothers me is the radiation effects line keeps going up...
[lawrednav aluap] - very interesting
[naillim irol] - Thanks for continuing to post things and educate us!
[ttocs-yvit eener] - It appears that you gave a lot more than time. I think of the dangers of going into space, being in space, but do not think of the physical effects.
[enal ecurb] - Wow. That's pretty rough on the body. I'm assuming there's no flattening out of radiation effects either.
[egamorb -recneps ycart] - I find this stuff fascinating.thanks
[zednelem rednaxela] - Soo, we crumble without gravity
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[dleifnelg hsiwrad rialcnis bed] - Col. Hadfield can you come to my house or meet me at a quaint coffee shop and help me by explaining this graph to me? and maybe demonstrate where bone density affect is....? hahaha sorry
[ikswokrat kceb] - I don't claim to understand the chart. Sorry.
[xof yduj] - I'd like to see this extended beyond 6 months. The effects of space are dramatically detrimental to our bodies! Do we know at what point in time our bodies begin to normalize?
[nostrebor mahtaehc eiluj] - I did not even try......but I laughed hard when I saw it.
[bnd llecdaed nad] - A simple chart indeed. It's a strange area now knowing the effects and changes on the body just from this graph.
[teet einnob] - Looks good, but I can't grasp it. I understand bone loss .....I have it, but it has never really been explained to me in layman's terms.
[nosnhoj nosaj] - Y axis time in months
[yarg nehpets] - Probably not a good idea to spend time in zero grav then. :)
[nosnhoj nosaj] - Fascinating, how come radiation effects are linear when it varies with sun activity?
[iksrandeb een htims irak] - So did you use one of those vibration machines that are apparently to help with bone density?
[setul ettedualc] - Wow! That's CRAZY...
[p hpesoj nairb] - basically you're flat lining on everything lol
[nosdrahcir hcaz] - your posts are always awesome
[hplar trebla] - Thanks Chris. Is there a corresponding chart of the recovery upon return to earth?
And how does this bode for Mars Missions, say of the "Case For Mars" scenarios?
[wahsnerello neleh] - Thank you. I was very concerned about you bone loss. At our age it ain't easy to get back
[ymahot-deyas ayiarus] - Awesome delivery of knowledge !
[nosdivad yduj] - Thank you for always teaching us , you wisdom is welcoming <3
[enuejel gerg] - English Translation? :)
[nagirdnul ecila] - This is so interesting!
[hsihsawa hsokahcaw] - More info: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/37930.php
[hsihsawa hsokahcaw] - Bone density would be of more concern for reason of osteoporosis. Most astronauts seem to 'shrink' in terms of their skeletal frame from before photos (at the start of their career, then toward the end). *just an observation.
[lledner nna] - Astronauts are very brave people to undergo all these changes for the sake of science. Thank you.
[nnam-mahkcar erialc-eiram] - Wow If I have understood this correctly, I'd say that we are not designed for space travel !
[xuorel-notgnirrah ymmat] - It's amazing what your body goes through. Thank you for subjecting yourself to this to help us learn. :)
[ardnalloc aicitel] - Thank you for sharing it to us...
[nosnhoj irol] - Not good. It may be that is why you had to retire. Not enough bone structure left for jet piloting. They have to find a way to keep the body better in weightlessness.
[tfaah net duonra] - Those effects are dramatic!
[amsa rabbejd] - I hope I take my chanse it's really my univers I hope I can go to visit space with you and photograph more pictures it's my dream
[evuenelliv enahpéts] - That's great how a group of people can understand something that was unexplainable at first. Cool!! ;)
[notxerg irrak] - That's very fast
[ireiluccurb yduj] - kinda proves you can bring your health back...At the Y..when I was trying very hard....a trainer said ...Dont worry your Body Will forgive yu dont give up..
[dnarud ous utider ed] - really instructive
[wolsniw selim] - And thanks for putting it in a clear concise graph that we will all understand!
[etihw enyaw nek] - Too bad most people get dizzied by what they try to see and interpret here. lmao