Work and Income office staff are breaking into applause or sounding hooters when beneficiaries
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Work and Income office staff are breaking into applause or sounding hooters when beneficiaries find work.
The celebrations have been labelled patronising and embarrassing but Work and Income claims clients enjoy them.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11216507 Photo / Hagen Hopkins
(Type: link | Published: 2014-03-08T19:07:34+0000)
[vicky guild] - Hmmm how bout an instant $50 petrol voucher instead?
[jussy beau] - WINZ is also notorious for dismissing those who are registered as work seekers who apply and get positions advertised in the paper, then who are told to apply (By WINZ) for a job start grant and refusing that grant as they did not get the job through WINZ.
Catch 22 much?
[john peters] - What next. A group of clowns singing " for he's a jolly good fellow".
Where's the respect. Where's the dignified attitutude.
A simple handshake followed by a sincere congratulations would be more sincere
[gill hubert] - I would feel humiliated. Those times I've need assistance from Winz have been awful. I tried to get in and get out with as little fanfare/notice as possible. And that includes the day I had to go in to get a benefit stopped because I had found work.
[becks welch] - Are they cheering and hooting for the client or for the case manager who has met their KPI's and probably earnt a bonus....
[fraser greig] - Congratulations! You were made redundant from the job - no, career - you enjoyed and now have found something further down the ladder on minimum wage.... SOUND THE HOOTERS AND GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE!
[christchurch elite] - Good for them, it IS a celebration. Man, these dudes can't win can they?
[tamaoho charles llewell christensen] - celebrating forcing people into jobs they hate, so work advocate gets his bonus .. whats worse is these working families are worse off financially and have no more support when it all turns to custard .. most are just temporarily employed ... so JKey can get his numbers for election ....
[michael wagener] - Tamaoho a lot of people do jobs they don't like. There is no right to wait for a job we like. Often a job we don't like is a pathway to a job that we do like.
[alyssa nek minnit] - Work and income workers are immature & need to stop mocking people. Finding a job nowadays is blimmin hard, people don't need this type of bullying, where has the professionalism gone?!?!! They need to stop doing that!!!
[papi j white] - Can we give Bennett a round of applause when that phat phuck loses 50 kgs?
[robyn eastlake] - They should ask if its ok with that person first, me personally would hate it and find it embarrassing.
[grant costello] - Why not celebrate success. Great idea!
[chris tottenham] - Even worse is when security guards walk around the office and listen to private conversations between clients and case managers. Not right.
[jo headshoulderskneesandtoes moonbeam] - That is the most patronising thing I've heard come out from the department this week.
[mark brown] - highly offensive, insulting and breach of privacy.
Paula Bennett is notorious for patronising beneficiaries ever since she has held Ministry of Social Development Portfolio forgetting that she used to be a beneficiary on D.P.B and also a student on a government scheme (which she stopped when she got the M.S.D portfolio), she has been a hypocrite for years holding that portfolio and has made it harder for people on a benefit.
[sez lawrence] - They're also entitled to petrol voucher, credit for clothes and bridging finance. We are so lucky in this country! And as for security patrolling the office, that's their JOB and for good reason - safety. Come on
[kapi tupe] - You bunch of plonkers, the gesture is to celebrate the unemployed person getting a job, it's a gesture to congratulate the persons achievement.
[kerry augustowicz] - Maybe a card and a gift voucher would be more appropriate - to help them for their first week etc
[andrew trainor] - yay lets celebrate a job that pays below the threshold of a living wage. wahooo, poverty for you. congratulations
[paul lee] - Imagine dealing with particularly long term unemployed day in day out - modern thinking promotes celebrating success - as I see it that's what they are doing.
These case workers probably get quite connected to some of their clients and are probably genuinely pleased for them that they are working. Come on NZ don't be knockers - it's not our style.
[sez lawrence] - THEY DO ASK FIRST, in fact you have to ring the bell which starts the applause
[kim-maree skinner] - Is this SUPPOSED to be a government agency OR a bloody circus oh wait on, they are both the same - clowns running the show!
[matthew small] - What would want them to do? it's showing they are doing their job and they enjoy seeing people into work. you get a round of applause when you achieve something, it would make me very humble and proud!
[taylor glen] - How about asking the client first if it's ok with them?
[eve leniston-howell] - Everything about winz n how people are treated is degrading...
[andrew kay] - I would applauded anyone who gets off the benefit & gets a job.
[nicole moloney] - Most ppl on benefit are using it temporarily...they probably feel bad enough to have to ask for assistance let alone a big embarrassing hoo haa for obtaining employment...WTF winz - let the people have a little dignity.
[sez lawrence] - This has been happening for ages, and while I'm sure everybody is different, most I've spoken to felt good about it.
[max dillon coyle] - Scrap WINZ completely and replace it with a Universal Basic Income for everyone. Less bureaucracy and better for the economy and will solve child poverty and lessen inequality.
[wayne nally] - Really? Thats not patronising at all! How bout a pat on the head on the way out with a 'good for you!' thrown in for good measure!
[christine loren burns] - Lol... Some of these comments like others have said ... Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and then you can judge.... Gosh it's caused a turmoil, unless you have been there or done that judge all you want ...But some of you sitting behind your pretty little keyboards on your nice warm tosh need to have some empathy !!! ... Some of you have NO IDEA!!
[jaytala kaurirose] - WINZ is about as sincere and honest has wet rotting vomit so them throwing a 'happy party' for me would be about a real as fake tits on a teddy bear. *Congrats to the PERSON that got the job* Like many here I have nothing nice to say about WINZ but sticking on this issue, personally I would HATE being made the focal point of the whole office, it sounds like sarcasm. People are doing things all the time that deserve a congrats but bells and whistles? Sounds like making fun of someone.
[max dillon coyle] - The whole culture of WINZ is toxic, from pictures of Thatcher on the walls to telling people they feel ashamed when they walk in the doors (of course they do, that's how you've made it for them)
[jason holtham] - I know when I was a case manager. I would celebrate with my client, sometimes it's a big deal, don't know about the hooter tho lol
[mary barrett millen] - the most judgemental organisation in NZ. They should be taught how to treat people.
[liz christensen] - Applauding success! Good on them. It's a big deal getting a job. Hey I know we are unassuming NZers but surely we are allowed to celebrate success.
[mark ibarra] - I think what WINZ is doing is great!!! Everyone should celebrate their success!!! Who wants to be a bludger for the rest of their lives?? Isn't it more embarassing spending tax payers money and not contributing to the growth of the economy? Come on people, open up your mind!!!
[kyra jackson] - Sorry but I would find that an insult and embarrassing if they did that to me. Winz should be more happy to help people then get rid of them, that's what the service is for to help people. It sounds like winz have taken on John keys attitude that if they push more people off the help they actually need the better.
[belinda tuki] - Celebration is a good thing! Kiwis need to do it more often.
[marie ataera moore] - You don't get a bonus for getting someone into work at WINZ - that's a lie I used to work there. You have targets that you have to meet but you never get a bonus it's an expectation. Part of your work contract.
[debbie kenwright] - OMG!!!! Could they invent any more ways of patronising clients!! We should all do the same when they do their jobs right in the first instance!!!!!
[leeanne wilson] - It is bad enough that at WINZ they sit in their chairs all high and mighty saying "YAY" or "NAY" to assistance, then have the audacity to embarrass the client for getting a job by making a scene and applauding!!!! talk about be little them!!! ...the clients should be saluting them by flicking them the big fat bird!!! (cos lets face it, its not like people WANT to be on a benefit) MATURE I KNOW! hahaha
[troy hogan] - Get rid of key he theifs from us worst pm ever
[andrea grocott] - I found them very helpful actually. Although I got a my job myself, my caseworker has helped me through the first 3 weeks until payday. Bridging finance, held my debt to them for 3 months, biggest food grant I've ever had. And teamed me up with a very helpful in work support worker.
Loved hearing the bell ring in small celebration.
[sez lawrence] - Seriously, on top of EVERYTHING WINZ does for those in need, you think they should shout people a date night? That is ridiculous, what a sense of entitlement and lack of gratitude that shows. You know, there are plenty of places in the world where you'd just be screwed, and it's just our luck we are here instead. A little perspective wouldn't go astray!
[victoria rowe] - Getting a job in today's market is definitely a celebration - and getting a job after a period of unemployment is especially so - the people at Work and Income have probably gone through this journey with them and know the struggle the job seeker has had so who better to join the celebrations!
[stephen beasley] - I think it's great! Good on ya, WINZ! Show some community spirit!
[ryan cox] - I would applause too. It's all my bloody taxes the are getting.
[sonia veelenturf] - Because finding a job is such an extraordinary event these days, and they need to accept that. Not make a circus out of it.
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[debbie romeril] - My daughter was to scared to get a full time job coz if u go off the benefit in Palmy they make u ring a bell... It's No good for shy people it causes anxiety but if it was me on the other hand I'd hi "5" everyone on the way in ring my own bell do a twirl and a curtsy and whoop whoop all the way out...
[adam conn] - One of the biggest challenges I find in the process of people seeking work is their CV. it sometimes comes down to getting in the door. Some links to free CV templates myfreeresume.com. Remember, no photos of yourself on your CV. Change your Facebook pics and photos or simply hide it all - would you recruit you if you could see your FB?, its a free domain to make or break. Create a free linkedin profile. When you get an interview - dress up. Bring a copy of your CV to the interview just incase and do some research on the business you are interviewing for and make it show. You're welcome. See, I'm more helpful than anybody you have met at Winz "trying" to help you find a job.
[kirihi cook] - enbarrasssing?!?! grow-up work and income staff are wraped az for you oi ! or :) maybe its the "are you a team player?" test... #dontfuckwithwinz...
[renata kotua] - It is extremely patronising...
[sally elliott] - My case manager clapped n cheered years ago...I was not offended. ...you all are a bunch of whiners with the worst offender being the woman who took this pathetic story to the press
[helene cecile evan] - I experienced the ovation, clapping and celebration given to me last week after 14 months of being without work. It was the most supportive experience I have had and I left the building on a buzz. Hey try giving the Winz staff some applause rather than giving them the bash.
[aleisha-marie billing] - Gosh you all need to grow up! The grass is never greener on the other side! Having been on both sides of the fence and worked very closely with government agencies, these people are just doing their jobs and following the LAW! You have no idea the jail time they can get stepping out of those guidelines! They are trying to feed their families just the same you we all are. Don't be so quick to point fingers!
[cushla gatland] - I think it's extremely patronizing and embarrassing for clients. Winz did absolutely nothing to help me find work and were about to send me on one of their time wasting courses when I got a job under my own steam.
[dee ft timu tribe] - What a great way to show someome their support. At tauranga office they have a bell when someone finds full time work which sends the office into applause. Best thing winz have ever done.
[tama thecreator] - A family member that's a case worker told me that a lot of WINZ staff hate beneficiaries. He said he gets mad often because during breaks his colleagues sit around and compare "sob stories" and laugh about about peoples private affairs. Disgusting.
[allana lloyd] - I asked my case manager to promise not to applaud, and so what does she do, tells the other case manager next to her, which started the domino effect. It was embarrassing for myself. Other people may like it, but they should have the respect to ask first and if the client doesn't want it then that's their choice.
[lea stuart] - Sucks peoples attitudes if you've been looking for a job for ever, and finally land one. Id be bloody hooting too.
[greg robson] - I spent a year and a half on winz a few years ago. I came out of there Henderson branch many times nearly in tears and feeling realy low and feeling like a number not a human and ended up really hating that department and disliking government for the way they treated me. I personally would be bloody annoyed and embarresed if they did that for me. If i wanna celebrate i will, dont need winz to do it for me.
[becks welch] - What I resent is how those KPI's are acheived and the jobs that some whanau end up in. Im all for people working but what I would prefer to see is people having incentives to look at education and how they can better themselves long term. Alot of people on benefits get jobs that dont pay well and in a few months are back on the benefit esp our solo mums. Thats nothing to cheer about...so yes I have some issues!
[simon vincent] - How DARE we celebrate success!! For SHAME!! Return to your hand wringing self hatred IMMEDIATELY!!
[sasha d'entremont] - It's a good thing when someone finds a job. So why on earth wouldn't people celebrate it?
[nadine bott] - Less of our tax money going to capable people hey Id even add a little dance
[mark ibarra] - I don't agree that there is not enough jobs out there, and people are never qualified enough.. If you really actively look, you will find one!!!
[sez lawrence] - Well mate, I'm not "well paid", I've been flat broke in my time, I rang the bell when I came off the dpb and it felt great. When I was broke I appreciated every piece of assistance I was blessed with. Gratitude is essential and complaining about having assistance is absolutely ridiculous, not to mention counterproductive
[leanne kenwright] - What is the world coming to when you can't even be glad and show it or demonstrate that your are happy for someone. I would be happy if someone showed a positive gesture for a positive happy event. Work and income work hard to help people into jobs and it must be a great thing for them when someone finds a place in the working community. PC gone mad again!!
[jasmine jones] - Some of the ppl commenting are jerks! Not everyone wants to make a life-long habit out of being on the dole. 8 years ago I was made redundant from a job and had to go on the dole for a month. It took me 6 months to find another job (60 or so job interviews over that time) and I had savings but that ran out just before I found the next job. When you've worked your whole life it is demoralising not having one. I sure as heck wouldn't have appreciated being given a standing ovation . Winz were useless anyway. I found my job by myself.
[kristen rupapera] - I think its cool they ring bells. We do it in sales jobs it builds team moral and support. It's also an achievement when you have worked with someone trying to find work it's rewarding, as you see the hardships they have been through and then you get to celebrate with them.
[fiona reid] - I think it's lovely that the staff get excited for their clients. What happened to "rejoice with those who rejoice"?
[bronnie maxwell] - so what happens when no one needs the benefit?? do we get to clap for all the winz workers who will be out of a job???
[tai matekuare] - Why give them food vouchers?? I think a clap an a hooting is algud atleast someone is happy for them. If they can't see that as a happy thing their obviously up tight. Think of it as an encouragement towards the (hopefully) better Life you are going to have from getting a job. Weekly money you worked hard for, making new friends, having a social life, change of life style and I know for most mothers and fathers just to have a conversation with an adult not baby talk. People need to appreciate what they get instead of expecting more. If you want more go and get it!!
[ioana marsters] - I've been in there when they've been applauded and everyone was grateful for the acknowledgement that they were successful in getting a job. God its just a pat on the back not pointing and bloody laughing come on people be a bit more positive about it
[kathryn brown] - too many part time jobs out there. and if work 2 jobs get secondary tax! even if under 40 hours !!! when is govt going to address this! do they not know how dear rent is!!!
[mark davidson] - Where has all the grammar gone?
[richard stevens] - Great call Kirihi i reckon you're right everyone's seeing this through the wrong lens ... To have been able to help in some way of setting someone iff on a new path us whst they're celebrating ... Get a bit positive NZ !!
[ryan fouhy] - So much for client confidentiality.
[angie palmer] - Some of you people should walk a mile in someone else's shoes....You could lose your job any day
[letticia jane pevy] - I'm all for encouragement and positive reinforcement but surely a genuine personal well done from the contact person you are dealing with is more authentic and way! Less patronizing
[sarah mcintosh] - Its just another way for this government company to assert their dominance over beneficiaries! As if going in there and asking for help is not humiliating enough they throw this in? its a very demeaning way of showing strangers look this person got a job ! They managed to jump through all these hoops to get in the door now there dignity is also stripped as one last hoorah! I have seen first hand a lady who got a job and asked the case manager not to embarrass her by ringing the bell her reply oh but i have to ring ring ring!!! Degrading!!
[gina eps eparaima] - Way to go winz, bout time some people got off there butts and get a job. People out there have been milking the system 4 far to long!!!!
[shelly adelle milne] - Bludger=a very mean name for beneficiaries. Not everyone chooses this life.
[joannie godwin] - Why is this in the newspaper? These people are just doing their jobs....
[jay crook] - That's really very patronising. I've recently been in the position of job-seeking. Despite giving it my best efforts, sending out CVs and making phonecalls, sending emails and even driving around cold calling on companies, it still took about 9-10 weeks to find a job. If they had given me a round of applause, a standing ovation or hoots, I'd have been most embarrassed. What imbecile in power came up with this idea? board give them a big cheer when they suggested it? Is this really what we want from the people in power? Clapping? FML!
[bronwyn andersen] - I hope I can get a job when I leave here
Old and unappreciated when in ya
[eunice cotter] - I might do that on my next appointment IF i get treated politely & with respect. They ARE rude & patronising always have been & probably always will be. Or maybe treat them the same way....karma
[esthy esther] - I don't understand why people attack each other on a news threads
[miles lacey] - If I got off the dole the head office of WINZ would declare a national holiday.
[micah dodge] - It's supposed to be a celebration. Maybe people should ban singing happy birthday because it makes people feel older
[patti hunt] - Some people are saying the most ridiculous things here! Alot of lifes circumstances lead us to different places and alot of the barriers we face are psychological. People should stop complaining about winz and the people who are on it, yes its degrading to explain your personal circumstances all the time but without them I wouldn't have gone to university whilst being a single mum and now have been in a wellish paid job for 6 years. However the bells etc are stupid unless the client gives permission. oh and wasnt overweight and stuffing my face at home as mark above seems to think. I could afford noodles to stuff my face with while in the dpb and thats about it ha ha
[toni 'tj' foster] - I feel like someone needs to write an article about racism in WINZ instead of this though. The other week they asked if I'd be in an internal training video with a bunch of other people lol yeah okay fine by me, at the end they asked the only maori woman in the room if she'd want to do one on one. She didn't look to pleased but they did it any way. I feel like from my observations (especially in naenae.) that the Pacific islanders, Maori's and all that are treated like buddies, the case managers laugh and listen to them, yet white people with the same problems are made to cry.
[aleisha-marie billing] - I recently finished up in recruitment in Aussie and we did that as well as danced around the office with our clients. Guess what they loved we even had little ceremonies for vulnerable youth who completed courses or certificates and invited their family to come and enjoy refreshments and the ceremony!!! We had parents in tears and had them saying how beautiful and caring that was!!! Some of these families had NEVER had anyone in their circle complete even a certificate so to watch their child do it was beyond belief!!! Whoever says it's embarrassing is a idiot most people enjoy the support and even feel special for that moment in time
[cheryll eddy] - have been in there when they did it..poor person standing there looking embarased as and the staff look like idiots...
[jane callaghan] - Totally disgusting and condescending how is this allowed? You have to be joking
[emma collins] - Do Winz staff not see 'beneficiaries' as people also??! They generally seem to be pretty nasty and judgemental of people on benefits, some of whom could probably do the Winz workers' jobs but have many different reasons for receiving a benefit. Nz govt put these systems in place for a reason, if there were more jobs or a higher living wage perhaps there wouldn't be so many people needing Winz
[patti poa] - Maybe payment for a NZSL interpreter for a Deaf person's job interview would be good too.
[amanda jane] - Good grief I would be *so* embarrassed if that happened to me! btw, I like the little cartoon under the poll on that page - "if you learn how to tie your shoe laces we'll give you the mexican wave" lol
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[donna cadwallader] - Im 57 and working part time winz want me full time!!! Leave us oldies alone we have worked all our lives and paid taxs!!! Thanks national!!! Concerntrate on the young!!!
[jeshua raphael] - Celebrating you getting a job isn't making fun of the poor
[carl brenninkmeijer] - Easy to judge and complain when you have a job, internet, a smart phone and food on your plate!
Most people are happy to finally have a job, those who complain are vacuums for tax payer dollars!
[naomi tewhare] - It puts people off going in there..nowun wants their confidentiality breached by lettn the whole world know you bn struggling and finally found a job...its embarrasing.
[becks welch] - No they dont Leondra Roberts, a few maybe, ALL case managers should come with SW degrees...
[leah bartlett] - what biullshit they will have targets alright that will come with bonuses, an yep there are jobs out there alright where at the end of the day you would be better off still on the benefit!
[nelson wahanui] - Are staff celebrating a job placement bonus...
[patty wunder] - Only in this country would they poo poo applause, recognition, compliments, and building people up!!!! I think it's great! It's about time pulled their crabby, serious, tall poppy sticks out of their cynical and smug buttholes!
[ethan herbert] - people should only be able to work at work and income for 5 years given that its not a real job
[melissa marie] - Its half an half with me really everything has changed so much mothers have to find work when there baby is one i dont agree with that to young an there is hardly any work out there for people with low skills i know there r some that just cant b bothered looking and stay on the benni. I wana know y is winz payn for druggies to stay on benifit and pay them more then a solo mum or an unemployed person makes no sence to me. If i got a job i wudnt want them clapping and hooting wud make me feel down granted to b honest.
[alison withers] - They're probably cheering and clapping about the bonus the case worker is going to get for placing a client into some dead-end job. How bloody patronising, too bad for the thousands of beneficiaries who aren't able to get a job, or, alternatively could, but can't afford the travel and child care costs in order to be able to take them.
[t-l cee] - Is there nothing better 2 put in the news these days? What is the big deal if they do that? When I got a f/t job they clapped 4 me and I felt great! Applause and cheering is promoting positivity which is a good thing!!!!!!
[leanne whitlow] - I was actually there when it happened to Katy (my daughter), but I must say, I thought it was genuine and they all took the time to wish her well as she starts out. One of WINZ ways to acknowledge the great work she has received. I can see how most people think it's OTT, but I'm afraid, give justice where it's due and it was sincere after all :D
[linda hitchcox] - Paula Bennett Has got A Competition Between All Of WINZ Departments On Which WINZ Department Is More Successful In Having The Less Amount Of Needy People On The Benefit, Bennetts Policies Are To SHAME, BLAME And PUNISH, And For That She ( The Cats Mother ) Needs To Go NATIONAL PARTY Is CORRUPT And TWO FACED They MUST GO This ELECTION, >> ALL IN FAVOUR <<
[sandra mcghie] - Good On You Winz Celebrate With Them
[tracy gillman] - This happened to me and it was awful just being in that office is humiliating enough
[jacqui carter] - Then we should applause them when they answer the phone within 5 minutes.... and sing for he's a jolly good fellow when not given conflicting/incorrect info from different employees in the dept.
[mark ibarra] - Why would people blame the change of government, and WINZ embarassing them for their misfortunate status. Some people actually put themselves in that situation, chose to be bludgers and rely on hard working tax payers money - than actually getting out there and finding themselves a job and doing something constructive in their lives. Most of these people on dole are overweight slobs, so obvious that they just sit at home stuff their f**king face!! Now that's disgusting than being happy and celebrating someone's success in landing a job, well for those one's that actually have intentions to find a job, and weren't force to do so because they've been on dole for far too long!!
[lisa stokes] - I got lots of assistance when i went off the dpb bt no applause, i wldv told them to shut the fug up!!!
[tanirau tangiia] - Janine Wilson have you been to work and income lately? They have boards that have Situations vacancies! Even posters of people getting jobs from winz and being from zero to hero..so if u ever do go there u most likely will see ur unicorn!
[elliott evans] - WINZ staff are generally sadists.
[ebony moke] - If that was me id totali get up and have a dance lol.
[katy loughnan] - Leanne Whitlow, I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was mortified. Very condescending.
[freddy oketopa] - great work winz now do you get a bonus
[kelly lewis] - That is awesome! It is hard to find work out there these days so I reckon good on them for celebrating their client's success; will help with moral in the office too
[lisa tamati] - How embarrassing is that......and very childish.....really your've got time for that and yet the waiting too see someone can be hours! Grow up idiots we not children!
[jeanie peters] - We really are stuffed in the head , a lot of bloody sheep,
Would make me never get a job, thank god i'm old
[karen clune] - Fun & uplifting!!!! Give me a break Brad!! Obviously you haven't been or needed to be on a benny??
It is the most confidence blowing! Demoralising! Unsupported place to go!
"They do that to embarrass you so you won't go back!"
Then lucky them the can flick you off there books!
I know lots of people that are too scared to go into their offices as its a human fish bowl! Most these people live rough & I even know Some who live under bridges. Not because they want too, but because they are shy & humble people! But it is there looks that deny them work!
This is just so horrible I can't believe it!!! Grrrrr..... :<
[charlotte webb-wilcox] - I dont find anything wrong in it.
[ripeka armstrong] - course they get a standing ovation when work is found, those clowns probably still get big bonuses.
[gary lau] - Sorry but this is not news. It's called whinging. If you don't like what they did, go complain to that person, not to the media. Surely there are more important issues in life than this?!
[shaylise potini] - Maybe they are genuinely happy for those that are out there looking constantly although it can seem condescending I think a hand shake and well wishes will suffice
[rebekah anne wolfreys] - Really? I didn't even get a congratulations. They were rude and degrading the whole process to me I was only on it for three months and was active the whole time but they made me feel useless and my self esteem took a hit.
[rob rangi] - Seems to me the obvious thing to do ask the person if they wish to celebrate and go from there.
[melissa peters] - It's awful... Quite mean.
[panapa williams] - Troy hogan, let's hear you say that when u lose your job and have nothing else to support you.
[donald wright] - Sickness beneficiares having a heart attack when you sound the hooter and dying? Thats two people off the benefit in one day. #winning
[eliza rashid] - standing ovation for those who make a budget and stick to it
[sez lawrence] - You know whose responsibility your life is? Yours! Use the amazing resources available and sort it out
[susan berry] - That sounds like a very positive thing to do - by celebrating someone's success - maybe other work places could take on that positive spirit!
[te wharewaiata webster] - So much for sounding hooters does their wages cover their rent, buy food, clothing, pay for high power costs, doctors bills, high food costs, petrol costs education I wouldn't sound any hooters
You haven't lived the life of the poor
[deane joyce- bradfield] - Showing some excitement and blatant piss taking are too very different things. Hope they're being sincere because most of these people need support and confidence boosting.
[catherine joll] - i have fibromyalgia; am pregnant with our first and have unfortunately been made redundant 5 times. suck for me yes but when i make a little try to make a little money part time it comes off my accom supplement and am left still trying to find more for vital bills and necessities. i don't get a hollar for part time work from em and would be beyond struggling to work full time at the mo. im a positive person in my 30s who genuinely wants to be free of debt and struggling. why can't they care more about that?!
[melissa marie] - I just the goverment wud actually listern to us we get told have our say but really we dont, we can speak but wont get heard, alot of new zealanders have great ideas and salutions. We r like puppets do as i say or suffer.
[katrina crews] - are they celebrating because it is such a RARE thing to actually find someone a job?
[stephan dyer] - Oh get a life. Are you aware of the work winz sometimes put into a person getting employment. Nowadays I think there should be applauding in a country where you almost need a certificate to go to the toilet. Lighten up and stop being sooo serious laugh a little.Yes a voucher would be good also.. :)
[rebecca twemlow] - Celebrate success folks!
[jodi wilson] - Clap clap for the handicap. I quiet congratulations is more than enough..
[lovelee leigh] - how embarrassing :( almost traumatic for some
[jaime taylor] - id be fully embarrassed if they did that to me! its a bit uncalled for lol.
nzherald.co.nz: Work and Income office staff are breaking into applause or sounding hooters when beneficiaries - 150th Comments
[nicci wilkie] - I have just found full time employment and have to go in to winz next week, god I hope they don't embarrass me by applauding me .......ekkk!!
[peter kapua] - If the new employees dont want hoots & a standing ovation Ill give them a 'silent' free kick up the rse.. with an accompanying 'its about blardy time' :)
[helen hogg] - It's says they ask the person first, I actually think it's nice to celebrate a great achievement and when I have been praised in the past i am always left with a sense of pride at what I have achieved
[kathy mummery] - Yes & then the recipient works for 6 weeks or so & is back on their books & what doe Winz do just payout money. Cynical maybe but I've witnessed it myself. They are probably just applauding after years of frustrations of finally getting the person concerned to be working.
[mika morato] - Getting applause for something they are supposed to do.
[tina anderson] - I see it as encouragement if I got a job I also would be rapt so why not celebrate!
[robin anne mcgrath] - Be ok if WINZ actually GOT them the job, bit rude when they only claim they did it though
[sez lawrence] - We have all this assistance a available to us, sometimes we have to find the information ourselves - first world problems!
[julie gorman] - It would be ok if the prize was genuine but I think it is just a silly policy and won't work as people see through it. Better to give them something they would benefit from...a treat...movie tickets or a dinner for two voucher. Then they could celebrate with people who do care!
[melissa marie] - Everytime the person at winz gets some1 into a job they get a bonus so r they hootn for the person or bcuz they got a bonus......... makes u think ae
[ryan cox] - Vicky Guild u saying hand out more money??
[donna eriwata] - Jussy Beau they can't turn you down for that.
[justin french] - What a bunch of whingers...
The agencies are trying to do something positive (even if you think it's for the first time) & everyone here is seeing the negative side of it.
What ever happened to being proud of yourself?
[myst stery] - People also have to remember the 90 day rule......if the employer likes u or not u may b out of a job in 90 days so y celebrate..........????
[kirsty gould] - Sorry i realize its probably meant to be a nice gesture but they're not 5!! They're gown people! How embarrassing
[racheal mcgonigal] - They are more applauding themselves as having got someone a job. In 5 yrs on the benefit, WINZ never helped me once to get a job in anyway. I did it myself and even then WINZ were no help getting me shoes and pants I needed for the job. They actually caused me more cost.
3+mths down the track from having gone in and told them to stop my benefit, they now tell me I have been recieving a benefit while being employed and are investigating.
It seems more to me that someone in WINZ has kept my benefit going but simply changed my address and bank details = FRAUD from within.
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[ben mills] - at my winz you would be lucky if the people working there are born in NZ! its bad enough when you have to go to the place but when you have someone obviously from another country tell you what you are entitled to and what you are not is just sad - being a solo parent with qaulifications in engineering/welding i was once made to go to a shelf stacking job at my local super market, the person who gets the job should be happy as they wont have to deal with winz (for the time being)
[edward mcknight] - The policy adds extra social payoffs to finding work, so i think it's a good idea. I think the writers of the Herald articles most probably represent a loud minority.
[hilda nibiru shaw] - ffs how typical of zombies
[mardin ormsby] - That's not good business and what if the job was temporary ?? They are not winning a race.Would be great if the people on the benefit all got jobs then there would be no work for winz staff except for pensioners etc
[jaimee romeril] - That would be enough for me to not want to get a job. How embarrassing!
[jeanie curtis-thomson] - What fkn planet are they on, they shouldnt go to mahi with any phase of judgement on their clients. Two face hypocrites smile to your face and stab you in the back with this. This brings out the ugly in me, its not their money what gives them the right. Bloody sad alrite.
[awhina thomson] - Patronising and degrading. Nice one, WINZ.
[jacqui barnes] - I found it patronising and humiliating when it happened to me. I was embarrassed enough to have been forced to ask for help after redundancy, let alone how I felt at having every eye trained on me in that moment. Awful
[mel flower] - how unprofessional and humiliating
[neil copeland] - That sort of behaviour might have me thinking that WINZ were my friends.
[danielle pattenden] - Do they give them a pat on the head too??
[lydia togiahoe] - winz are puppets, look after the people, beneficiaries the reason they got a job
[aleisha-marie billing] - I am not talking about a law stating that Melanie! I am merely advising that they are acknowledging someone's new found path in employment and stating to all who wrote previously comments bagging winz staff out about the way they treat clients ect that they have to follow strict guidelines or face jail time. So read properly before you be a total tool!
[lynsey mariu] - It shouldnt be WINZ celebrating it should be the taxpayers celebrating after all it is our tax that pay beneficiaries etc
[tom mcalpine] - That's disturbing, unprofessional and sick.
[tobin frost] - Can't believe it, something that's meant to be positive is seen as a negative. Can't please everyone I guess.
[roses are red] - Wow 😳 boosting your staff ego by humiliating your clients is not a motivation tool, its harassment.
[natalie skinner] - id be embarrassed! what's next? gold star stickers? what's wrong with " that's great news! im happy for you!" applause? thats degrading
[sandra spencer] - No friggen way. I don't celebrate my birthday, not since I was a kid. So that ^^^^ would be so completely embarrassing
[greg hutchins] - This sounds like the Fish! Philosophy, modeled after the high energy present at the Pike Place Fish Market, is a technique to make individuals alert and active in the workplace. Since the launch of this ideology many companies and schools have adopted the four ideas: choosing one’s attitude, playing at work, make someone’s day, and being present. It is commonly used to improve what is referred to as the "culture" of an organization.
[debbie doyle] - Hahaha...what, no lollies and balloons?? 😋
[mark ibarra] - Easy enough if you genuinely want to find one, and not think of every possible obstacles in landing a job!!
[lee creavy] - So it would go like "congratulations on the job do you mind if the whole office gives you a clap "? "Why yes, thank you I would love that ". YEAH RIGHT !!!!
[jade baty] - Ive always said train beneficiaries to work at WINZ so it doesn't take 3weeks til the next available appointment.
[queenie preshus] - Knowing how they actually manouevered them off the benefit and into work would be more interesting!! So do the Case Managers get their ' well done ' bonus on top of this too ???
[dawn hori as bro] - That's normal celebration technique when a sale is made....😏
[casey mouseymoo] - thatd be awesome... if they were 2 and ate all their dinner
[jonathan hampton] - Unprofessional much?
[carlton irving] - I don't believe the intent is to patronise someone for getting a job. Being a successful candidate is something to be celebrated I'm sure. While it may be a good natured attempt to celebrate someone's success, perhaps it is a tad embarrassing for some and a more low key approach needs to be found
[charmaine young] - It is patronizing ..I agree with Vicky reward with vouchers or something that is of use apart from a clap and toot from total strangers.
[julie hani barton] - Vote for Labour !!!
[claire thrift] - This would be embarrassing for some people and others would love it, perhaps a box of chocolates or meal voucher along with genuine congratulations would be more appreciated.....
[halie-marie richards] - That is disgusting! Some people actually don't want to be on benefits or ask for help, but they have. Inconsiderate pack of jerks... Mind you wouldn't expect anything less from a govt department under national
[jonny greenlees] - What we really need to do is scrap the whole dehumanizing system and adopt a Universal Basic Income for EVERYONE. Time will come when all unskilled labour is automated by robots/computers and full time work for all will just not be possible.
nzherald.co.nz: Work and Income office staff are breaking into applause or sounding hooters when beneficiaries - 200th Comments
[billie-jo shana rurehe] - I say thats cool they could just send them on there way and not say a congratulation or nothing a little encouragement and acknowkedgement never hurt nobody.
[eva wilson] - not cool to sound the hooter or applause..it makes WINZ STAFF say they got u where they want u..inregards u did all the work..u waited around for them..they should be applause n u or hooting the bell 4u
[haley maxwell-rurehe] - lol Ryan Fouhy ... but i would find it degrading personally !! its no ones business but your own !!
[susan anderson] - Would have loved people to whoop & blow hooters when I landed a new job.
[hetavaoese toa] - We are greatful my family & I left Nz befor all these new changes gov etc, no regrets:):).
[oscar white] - funny Work and income so called workers are considered worse than dole bludgers an overpaid, that's not a job, wouldn't even be if we had no unemployed they right up with armed forces bludging worthless overpaid unemployed but think they somehow better lmfao
[patricia joyce] - what a horrible lot of people running our country
[lloma bubba tipene] - At the papakura branch they have a big bell u ring when u geta job it is embarrassing but also like a huge congratulations
[mike rapana] - Why not applaud & empower someone for having success & breakthrough in their life? We should celebrate every chance we get👏👏👏
[stephanie brown] - I knw sumone dat works for WINZ an is scamming WINZ themselves!! WINZ SHLD TAK A GUD LOOK @THEIR OWN STAFF!!!
[donna campbell] - I am in the 'patronising' camp I am afraid.
[robert black] - considering what winz staff have to put up with from some of there clients,an ovation and hoot is pretty harmless
[mabel ladbrook] - ok time they did a revamp anyone who has been unemployed for more than 6 months to a year loses all benifits,inviald or not you can still work,
[mark ibarra] - Sez Lawrence we can't really get throught to people that are narrow minded, they're too dumb to realise the opportunities this country has to offer or too dumb to even look for a job!
[tanya leigh] - I've been in a office when the bell goes off for someone getting a job and you also get a choc bar.
[jenese james] - how condescending
[sez lawrence] - So now we resent case managers for having jobs? I'm confused, do we want people to find jobs or not? Complaining and whining and pointing the finger won't get any of us anywhere. Leaving you all to keep shifting the blame and being ungrateful for the amazing opportunites our country has to offer. Enjoy your first world problems!
[lew alamoti] - Why the clapping though? Very unnecessary straight up
[sez lawrence] - Jenny Bloxham, why is it their job to sort people's lives out? They can offer all the assistance and opportunities available but you can't force somebody to get their act together. It's not their JOB to force people into work.
[brett kapa] - now we need to find them jobs too.Winz I mean
[jenny bloxham] - They are celebrating the fact that one person has achieved what WINZ should be doing everyday for hundreds of people? Says a lot . . .
[andrea grocott] - As finding you the work, they look up the job sites, do a search match, and send your cv to any that you agree with. All stuff we can do ourselves.
I saw an application on a table, filled it out, it got sent away ..... got the job.
Open your eyes, reconsider your options, never say 'no' until you have spoken about a possible job opportunity first.
[wendy ranger] - Absolutely awful ! And very humiliating too.
[kere peihopa] - Its your money anyway drawn from your straw man accounts...they make a massive profit while they distribute peanuts
[hamish mcconnochie] - Not appropriate from public servants.
[albert barr] - Stop the nonsense by voting!
[raewyn martin] - They did that when my son got a job.Winz subsidised his wage then the firm closed the doors and he back on the dole.you don't hear these stories.
[albert barr] - WINZ staff are cheering because they get a bonus payment from the taxpayer compliments of Key-National.
[lisa partridge] - Be nice if they didn't take so much money off u when u do find work, I worked 4 hours the other week and they took the money I earnt off my bene so I actually worked for $0 dollars , need more incentives I recon
[melissa marie] - Moving to find a job is a option for me 3 boys an i live next to my mum bcuz she has a crooked spine i help her as she is waitn for 2 operations for her spine. So for some of us its easy to up an leave just like that so what else can we do?
[tony ramon] - is it because that there are more losing their jobs and need to apply for a benefit. Wake up winz and get real.
[tom komene] - What a f..kn. JOKE. just look at Northland no prospects of any work here people are moving south for the work
[panapa williams] - I can see why some people would think this is great!!! ( which it is ) but I think the main reason why people are so pessimistic about all of this is because of personal experiences they have had with winz staff in the past. Whenever I hear the word winz it leaves a very foul taste in my mouth, because the staff really don't care about their fellow citizens, they only care about themselves and look down on people who are unemployed (some not by choice)...
[danielle chapman] - I had the joy of a a siren or as my case manager called it 'Celebration Siren' when she brought it out I thought she had gone mad
[simon millar] - but they still don't want to help out people that they need the help and have paid their taxes for years and when they come into a bump in the road they do nothing so people had to have 2 people survive on 12 hours pay which was only above minimum range
[liz bruce] - the only ones wanting to find work will be the ones congratulated, how about those that continually go there week after week with the world weighing on their shoulders, but don't want to work... I give them applause... for being able to avoid work... perhaps these should be the ones applauded month after month for being able to suck up tax payers dollars... they should be politicians... avoidance of the real issues.
[mark ibarra] - Sasha cause those people who feels it's degrading, are those people who actually been on it for too long and decided they will pull their sh*t together and do something constructive in their lives!!! And finally decided they no longer want to be a bludger!!
[sez lawrence] - Good on them for reaching KPIs and getting their bonus! Most jobs have incentives, and in their job it actually helps people. What is the problem there? Incentive to get people in jobs? Mate, you got issues if you resent that
[sez lawrence] - They ask you first people
[haylz whitton] - They have been doing that at Glenview Hamilton office for years. Well they ring a bell not sound a hooter.
[sez lawrence] - No you would NOT be better off! While the gap on your cv grows longer and your skills get rusty, and you brain gets less active? No, it's that attitude that keeps people on benefits instead of investing in their futures. Some things have mid or long term pay offs. If you're only after instant or short term, you're not going to get far. Sharpen up
[sara gardner] - that's pretty degrading